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 Post subject: Vagoane 21-47
PostPosted: Fri 25 May 2007 21:45 
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Nu stiu din ce motiv (o fi varsta, problemele de intretinere sau normele europene....) dar am observat ca vagoanele clasice de personal (cele impartite in 3, avand doua usi duble) sunt retrase si inlocuite cu vagoane compartimentate (fostele vagoane de accelerat, cu 8 locuri in compartiment). Poate ca sunt mai bune sau mai ... cine stie... dar dupa parerea mea nu prea se potrivesc in regimul de tren personal, pentru ca accesul e destul de greu din cauza coridorului ingust. Nu de putine ori am fost nevoit sa merg cu spatele (cu rucsac, sau bagaj care nu-mi permitea sa ma intorc) pana in capatul vagonului de 2-3 ori pana cand a iesit toata lumea care voia sa iasa si am putut intra in compartiment.
Dupa parerea voastra care e motivul inlocuirii lor?

P.s. parca nici nu sunt poze aici cu vagoanele de care ziceam


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Este vorba de vagoane clasele 21-47 si 21-57, ca cele din atasament... eventual si de 11-47, ,,fratiorii" lor de clasa 1.
Au viteza maxima de 140 km/h.

Intr-adevar... se taie la greu modelul asta de vagon (nu ca din cele compartimentate sau etajate nu s-ar proceda la fel...). Probabil ai observat ca majoritatea personalelor au maxim 5 vagoane.
Vagoanele compartimentate sunt bune pentru P de noapte... ca se poate dormi bine pe o bancheta din aia... pe cand la vagoanele salon chiar daca reusesti sa te asezi confortabil, auzi toata galagia din vagon.
Pe la Bucuresti (Rev. Basarab) nu cred sa mai avem asa ceva... decat de cls 1. Ce a mai fost functional (vreo cateva) au ajuns la Ploiesti si prin alte parti, restul s-au taiat.
Pe la Pitesti, Sibiu (acolo au chiar multe), Brasov (cred ca si pe acolo au masacrat...ca au intrat Desiro pe P), Rosiori, Craiova se mai gasesc, inca, destule vagoane de acest tip.


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PostPosted: Fri 25 May 2007 23:40 
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Sa vedem si cateva poze din interiorul unui asemenea vagon:


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PostPosted: Fri 25 May 2007 23:55 
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:shock: :lol: Asta e prea de tot. Şi, totuşi, WC-ul acela sta destul de drept (a se citi vertical) avand in vedere ca unele suruburi cu care ar trebui sa fie prins de podea nu mai sunt

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pe unele vagoane, inscriptia din imagine era tradusa in mai multe limbi, printre care germana si rusa

Vagonul pozat e cumva, un 21-47?


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21-47 sau 21-57... nu stiu cum sa fac diferenta intre ele :(

Semnalul a avut si celebra placuta in mai multe limbi... se observa in poza gaurile suruburilor care o fixau.

Buda din poza era destul de curata si lipsita de miros, in ciuda aparentelor :P


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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jul 2007 00:25 
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Vagon suburban cu 3 compartimente si culoar central, clasele 11-47, 20-47 si 20-57

Lungimea intre tampoane: 24 500 mm
Diametrul cercului de rulare: 920 mm
Ecartament: 1435 mm
Tip boghiu: Minden Deutz
Viteza maxima: 140 km/h
Frana automata: tip KE-GPR
Incalzire: cu abur si electrica


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PostPosted: Sat 25 Aug 2007 16:49 
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MariusM wrote:
@ Dragos 2005

Boghiurile folosite erau numai Minden-Deutz. Boghiurile PKP se gasesc numai la vagoanele de posta ale seriei.


Dar primele vagoane 21-47 au fost produse de PKP si echipate cu boghiul PKP. Ulterior, boghiurile PKP au fost inlocuite cu Minden-Deutz.

La prima poza din acest topic, cea a vagonului 50 53 21-47 128-4 este vorba de un vagon PKP.Diferenta o puteti vedea la usi (este prelungita caroseria pana la baza treptelor usilor).

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Nu stiu din ce motiv (o fi varsta, problemele de intretinere sau normele europene....) dar am observat ca vagoanele clasice de personal (cele impartite in 3, avand doua usi duble) sunt retrase si inlocuite cu vagoane compartimentate (fostele vagoane de accelerat, cu 8 locuri in compartiment).


Se taie la greu peste tot... cu toate astea, prin revizii pline de asemenea vagoane, gen Piatra Olt, Pitesti, Sibiu vor mai ramane... am observat vagoane cu avizul tehnic AFER valabil pana prin 2009, 2012 sau chiar 2014.

Va prezint in continuare vagonul 50 53 21-47 855-2, proaspat venit de la RP, RP efectuat la ROVA Rosiori. Vagonul apartine reviziei Piatra Olt.


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Sa privim vagonul 50 53 21-47 676-2 in Pitesti in timpul si dupa spalare:


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Cate asemenea vagoane au existat? Cel mai mare numar pe care l-am vazut este 50 52 21-47 993-1 domiciliat la Bucuresti Obor.


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PostPosted: Sat 05 Apr 2008 23:12 
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tomi_ms wrote:
dar am observat ca vagoanele clasice de personal (cele impartite in 3, avand doua usi duble)


De personal? Cu dedicatie speciala de la CFR, in Acc. 1622 Timisoara Nord - Bucuresti Nord. Avea scaunele tapitate cu material rosu, foarte ,,ajustat" cu cutitul de alti calatori. Dar circula la rang de Acc., generand si vreo 30 de minute intarziere, din cauza defectarii pe traseu a vagonului 19-54 care trebuia sa fie acolo.


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21-47 085-6

Asta e? Ce m-a mirat e ca pe ,,patratul negru" scria ca e fabricat la Arad.


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Ceva tot mai greu de gasit... vagoane 21-47 cu cifrele clasei facute din tabla si prinse de cutie. De exemplu, vagonul 50 53 21-47 762-0 (Statia de domiciliu Sibiu), aici in compunerea trenului P2103(Brasov-Sibiu), in Gara Fagaras.


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Inca un vagon ,,PKP" (produs de Pafawag Wroclaw), 50 53 21-47 061-7, statia de domiciliu Fetesti:


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Va mai dau 2 vagoane produse de Pafawag Wroclaw. Sunt curios cate se mai afla in exploatare.

50 53 21-47 142-5


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50 53 21-47 402-3 in stare jalnica, probabil pregatit pentru revizie sau respins la ea.


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50 53 21-47 128-4, produs de Pafawag Wroclaw in 1970:


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50 53 21-47 519-4 proaspat revizuit la Marasesti, dus la domiciliu cu P3001:


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50 53 21-47 543-4, in compunerea P2560 (Medias - Sibiu), Medias, 18.08.2011

50 53 21-57 302-2, in compunerea P2560 (Medias - Sibiu), Medias, 18.08.2011


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 Post subject: Re: Vagoane 21-47
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